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Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.28 14:50:00 - [1] 2nd CSM meeting: 31st of May 19:00 Eve Time. Initial Agenda Items: 1. Maximum duration on pre-vote discussion phase in text chat (5/10/20/30mins û prior to chair calling a vote or deferring issue to next session) (Lavista) 2. Automatic publication of meeting chatlogs to the agreed standard (ie person contact detail removed). (Jade) 3. Presence of AlternateÆs in the council chamber. (Darius) 4. Universal Operator rights for all Reps in the Council chamber (Inanna) 5. Confirmation of Template document (general) 6. Confirmation of Forum tools request document (general) 7. Processes behind future appointment of CSM committee (Hardin) 8. Future process for selecting public Issues to discuss in the meeting (Jade) (Provisional public issues û have been on record for 7 days with significant public support or CSM rep advocacy -) 1. Removal of 30/90 day time cards. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777866&page=1 2. Jump Bridges and Cyno-jammers fix. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777554 3. Log Server exploitation/BACON. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777980 4. Skill Queue Functionality? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=779102 5. 5% rule is too strict. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777807 6. Kill Rights should be transferable. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=778012 7. Alliances in Faction Warfare. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=778272 8. Funky POS alterations. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=778222 9. Improve Black Ops. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777663 IÆd like all CSM representatives/alternatives that will be able to attend on Saturday to inform themselves about the council/public issues that weÆll be discussing to allow proceedings to move on efficiently please. Read the threads, check out the drafts and review the previous meeting minutes/chatlog so we donÆt waste any time allotted to us. If any CSM representative wishes items added to the agenda for Saturday please reply to this thread before 19:00hours on Friday evening with a brief overview of the issue / link. If itÆs anything particularly urgent IÆll bump it up the agenda or if itÆs ordinary business add it to the end. Hope to see everyone there. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.28 16:42:00 - [2] Originally by: Serenity Steele Great work on the Agenda Jade. On the issues, I'd suggest either: - The issues are summarised into the template first, then we discuss. - We vote on the issues to be raised to CCP and a volunteer writes it into the template before submission and pass around for comments. yep on this definitely. Quote: IMO Discussing the issues without having an structured document (the template) will: - Not enable addressing sufficient issues in the time we have (across all meetings) - Be a very inefficient usage of 9 peoples time considering the issues will need to be formatted in the template before presentation to CCP. Completely agree. This agenda is suboptimal in that we don't have the established template agreed and stickied for contributors on the Assembly hall - but I think we do need to get on with the job we got elected to do and the public deserves to see some movement on the issues. Might be a long meeting :) CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.28 18:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Exodus Alpha The minimum time a topic has to stay open on the public forum is 7 days before it can be brought up by the Council û this applies to topics put forth by the Council members, or the voters. All the topics will have been open for public debate for 7 days by the time of the meeting on Saturday. -edit opps, except for LaVista's one. That one is going to have to wait for next time after all. Quote: I think that the line between "support thread" and "discussion thread" is a gray one at the moment since many of the threads are a hybrid of the two rather than one or the other, but topics such as LaVista's Science and Industry Improvements definitely do not meet the 7 day requirement. The requirement is not 7 days or CSM rep advocacy, its 7 days and CSM rep advocacy. The first nine topics don't seem to be noted by specific CSM rep advocacy (unless Jade is advocating for all of them...), and none of them certainly meet the 5% requirement...but that's more a minor point than anything since I don't see anything saying that Jade couldn't in fact advocate for all of them. Sorry about LaVist's one. That was an oversight from me. I called for other submissions and didn't check that one specifically for the 7 day rule. Re the other topics, yep, at the moment we on the CSM, and CCP know there is a problem with the 5% rule and we're in discussions on how to fix it. But in the mean time I've taken the liberty of bringing a healthy range of topics with good proportions of public support that will meet the 7 day rule to council so we can make some decent progress at the weekend. Quote: Not that I have any specific complaints about any of the topics, but if you're going to do it you might as well do it by the rulebook. Yep, I'm going to note that LaVista's topic needs to wait a week. All the best. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:55:00 - [4] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Jade Constantine Yep, I'm going to note that LaVista's topic needs to wait a week. All the best. This issue was started on the 21th, depending on how you count. You can find it here. Yeah I know, but we're going to have to count from the topic posting in the assembly hall really. We do need to stick to a simple rule on these things, we'll still be able to raise the issue at the following meeting in time for the first formal presentation sessions. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto How are you choosing which issues to bring forward at this meeting? Is it just based on which ones individual Council members have asked to be discussed? And if so, could you please state which member is bringing forward each topic? Thank you. For this first one I've pretty much looked for the issues with a decent proportion of backing from the eve public that I or another CSM member can in good conscience support. One of the agenda items coming up in this next meeting is exactly how we formalize this in the future (as well as the 5% rule alteration options). Since we are coming up on the deadline for submissions for the first formal presentation in a couple of weeks time we did need to get this process moving. If you want a particular subject raised in the this or the following meeting it needs (A: plenty of supports and or B: CSM member advocacy). Speaking personally I'm going to generally support good issues that receive a decent consensus to give them a fair shot at the CSM voting phase. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Athre My biggest concern with this 7 day listing in the CSM forum only and must have a CSM advocate is that there are only TWO weekends left before the deadline for all Iceland topics. Thats it folks, get them in now or you loose any chance to get them to Iceland. Its actually not as bad as all that. The face to face meeting in Iceland is one of 3 CSM/CCP consultancy sessions over the course of the term. If issues don't get raised in time for the Iceland trip there will be 2 further opportunities to get these things onto the formal agenda for feedback and reply. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.02 22:07:00 - [7] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/06/2008 22:07:20 Originally by: Arithron Actually, if you read carefully, I stated POPULAR general support..as was first staed by the Chairman about the topics selected. You can see clearly that the 'thumbs up' for support for some of these topics is low, hence not POPULAR. Just by being read 200 times or posted on the topics thread doesn't make something have popular general support from a player base of 200,000. I think we are all aware that the 5% rule expressed in the CSM docs is unreasonable (would require 11,000+ support posts in a thread). Hence the term (popular support) is taken as being relative to the support other issues are getting. I am unrepentant in my support of the most popular issues being expressed on the assembly hall forum as I believe its the job of the CSM to get substantive answers on these things to the player base through the process of constructive discussion and feedback. Quote: You may have noted the small hint of sarcasm in my post- I would have expected a slightly more intelligent reply from a candidate than I recieved. Anyway, the main part of my post is still relevant and unaddressed... Its said sarcasm is the lowest form of wit you know, nobody forces you into the gutter. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.03 12:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Arithron Interesting post Jade...can you please expalin how 32 'thumbs' up for Black ops changes makes for popular general support I just did. The key words were relative support. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!

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